there is a link through to my "washington post" column. let's get started now. >>> let's get right to our panel to talk about just how you plan for a successful second term in the white house. my guests are all old white house hands. they are ken duberstein, who was white house chief of staff in ronald reagan's second term. john podesta had the same job in bill clinton's second term. and cnn's david gergen advised those two presidents plus presidents nixon and ford. john, you were there before and during the transition and chief of staff in the second term. how do you re-energize an administration going into the second term? is it important to change personnel? is it important to have new policy initiative? what were your lessons? >> well, there's a natural changing of personnel because these are grueling jobs so a lot of people are going to leave. we know the secretary of state hillary clinton and secretary of treasury tim geithner are leaving. those are two of the all-stars in the administration. so there's going to be a lot of turnover.